Same crap, different year, different number. Arthur Robinson and co. strike again. At first, it was the 19,000 signatories for the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine (OISM), and now they’ve jacked the number up to over 31,000 “scientists” who signed a petition against the AGW consensus. The phone book is cute, but personally I’d prefer one person with real science and data, as opposed to 31,000 people supporting scientific hogwash. The science in their “peer-reviewed” publication is easy enough to invalidate, and carries its share of looking at regional temperature (as opposed to global), throwing up strawman attacks (no one expects global temperatures to follow hydrocarbon emissions), and refuting themselves in the process (like their solar radiative forcing graph, which would be converted into a temperature anomaly that is negligible). But, surely Chris doesn’t know more than all of these 31,000 scientists, right? Well I did a quick survery of these “scientists” and report as follows:
Of 60 samples (including 54 phD’s), there were a grand total of zero publications behind the sampled signatories that were relevant to climate or climate change. None has specific background in meteorology, climatology, oceanography, etc and just two with a geology background (including one who is now deceased).
My subsample was the first 10 people of the petition, and the first two of each subsequent letter (ten from A, two from B, two from C…two from Z). I actually did a bit of cherry picking, but only to help out there side a bit more, so starting from “B,” I chose the first two people who were listed as phD’s. I looked at their publication records by the criteria of typing their name in the “search by author” box in Google Scholar. So, here we go
A
1) Earl M.J. Aagaard – Professor of Biology
Research Interests:
Intelligent design (we’re off to a great start), Relation of Man to his environment
No publications relevant to climate
2) Charles W. Aami
Can’t find him anywhere on google, with a few different terms.
Charles W. Aami
“Charles W. Aami”
“Charles Aami”
Apparently no publications, nor anything relevant to climate
3) Roger L. Aamodt
Looks like someone from the National Cancer Institute
Here and Here
No publications relevant to climate
4) Wilbur A. Aanes
Veterinary /Large Animal Surgery
No publications relevant to climate change
5) Robert Aaron (now deceased)
Electrical Engineer/Telecommunications
Here and Here
No publications relevant to climate
6) Ralph F. Abate
in the area of bridge design, and also runs student bridge contests (which I’m sure allows him to make judgments on the errors in the scientific community on climate change)
Here and Here
No publications relevant to climate
7) Hamed K. Abbas
Research Plant Pathologist, food safety
No publications relevant to climate
8, Paul Abbett
Can’t find much on google, with a couple of search terms
“Paul Abbett”
Paul Abbett AND climate
No publications relevant to climate
9) Wyatt E. Abbitt III
Same thing,
and zero publications
10) Ursula K. Abbott
In Avian Wildlife/Avian Genetics
No publications relevant to climate
Remember, everyone from here on out has (or should have) phD’s.
B
1) Dirk Den Baars
Looks like the guy is now deceased for several years, but specialized in exploration and mining of copper, precious metals, and industrial minerals, from here and here. Looks like he has some interesting World War 2 stories though.
No publications relevant to climate
2) Ronald R. Bach
Medical (health) Field / Oncology
No publications relevant to climate
C
3) Fernando Cadena- Civil Engineering
No publications relevant to climate
4) Fernando Cadena, C (different guy I suppose)
Inventor , and looks like he is looking to remove arsenic from water
No relevant publications to climate
D
5) Hugo C. da Silva
There is a Hugo C Da Silva Jr who recently graduated in nuclear engineering. But there is no “Jr.” in the petition, so it could be Hugo C. da Silva the sales associate/real estate guy. Doesn’t look like a phD though, but no matter which guy you want, no publications on climate
6) John W. Dabbs
Another strange search…I’ll let you take your pick.
You can have John W. Dabbs the guy who died in 1919, the family genealogy guy , or the medical guy. The last guy might be the more impressive choice (Though that is an M.D., not a phD) but regardless, none of them have any publications on climate
E
7) Joseph Jackson Eachus-
Couldn’t find much , but I think some poor guy is trying to get some information on him on one of them ancestry sites. In any case, no publications relevant to climate
8, Robert John Eagan
Not a lot of luck either, a search search with just his name gave no results- Played around with the name a bit (Robert J. Eagan) and I found a guy in nuclear power, a guy for Southwestern Electrical cooperative and one lawyer. I found no phD’s, but I also found no publications in climate
F
9) Michael William Fabian
Can’t find him, but he might be involved in OSU’s biological department. No publications relevant to climate
10) Thomas John Fabish
Looks like a bandconductor. The band guy seems to be the more famous one, but if you don’t like him, there is the guy from the Paint and Coating Resource Center. No publications in climate.
G
11) Steven Alexander Gaal- Involved in the mathematics geneaology project. Looks like a guy from back in the 1940’s, and no publications relevant to climate
12) P. S. Gaal
Looks like the guy is involved in the advancement of the transport properties of materials. Deals with thermal conductivity in materials, thermal diffusivity, etc. No publications relevant to climate
H
13) Gottfried Haacke
Looks like an inventor. Has patents on narrow band radiation films. Perhaps worked on windows that absorbed solar heat (on greenhouses for instance). No publications relevant to climate
14) Ronald L. Haaland
In agronomy and deals with plants/soil. Or he could be a real estate agent. No publications relevant to climate
I
15) Michael John Iatropoulos
Department of Pathology, expertise in toxicology. No publications relevant to climate
16) Icko Iben, Jr
Professor at Universtiy of Illinois (Dept. of Astronomy) with expertise in the structure and evolution of stars . A good publication record, but nothing on climate
J
17) Robert B. Jacko
Professor of civil engineering. Research interests are air pollution management and control, transportation noise problems, environmental occupational safety and health. Looks like he has some background in environmental problems ( I spot one publication on ozone modeling), but nothing on climate/climate change
18, Harold Jackson
founder and president of The JacksonHeath Group Inc., (I quote). “an international communications and management consulting agency established in 1990 that has provided strategic counsel to corporate CEOs, government officials, college presidents and dignitaries across the country and abroad.” No publications relevant to climate
K
19) Robert Kabel
Kabel does consulting work, and represents clients before Congress, Executive Branch departments and agencies, independent agencies and the White House. There is also a Robert L. Kabel who is in chemical engineering, though no publications anytime recent. All around, no climate expertise.
20) T. Theodore Kadota
Some different guys here. Possibly one in Spatial Statistics and Digital Image Analysis, another guy in Mathematical and Algorithmic Sciences Research Center from 1966-1994. Maybe the same guy, who knows.
No one with publications pertaining to climate
L
21) Peter La Celle
Department of Dermatology, member of Cancer Center at University of Rochester. From his publications linked inside, nothing to do with climate.
22) Timothy La Farge
This guy seemed interesting. If it’s the same guy in these publications, then he seems like he is into forestry (no work on climate). He has a couple of writeups in some obscure sources (and supporting some obscure material like geocraft.com, and Lindzen’s wall street journal article) on global warming, which are far from impressive.
M
23) Robert P. Ma
Sorry, couldn’t find anything on this guy. Certainly nothing relevant to climate.
24) Tso-Ping Ma
Department of Electrical engineering . Interested in technological issues related to semiconductor devices. No publications relevant to climate
N
25) Misac Nabighian
I suppose this is as close as we get to a goody. Dr. Misac Nabighian is a senior researcher in the department of geophysics at Colorado School of Mines. Research interests are Potential and electromagnetic fields in Geophysics: theory, data processing and interpretation. No publications relevant to climate.
26) Robert E. Nabours
Consulting Electrical Engineers. No publications relevant to climate.
O
27) Robert Quincy Oaks Jr
Couldn’t find anything on him here. I tried a few different search terms, but the guy doesn’t seem too popular. I get no publications relevant to climate (or anything)
28, Deborah O’Bannon
A civil engineering proferssor. She was also awarded the “Fellow Grade of the Society of Women Engineers for her empowerment of women in engineering.” No publications relevant to climate.
P
29) J. Pace
Hard to do much without a first name, but I googled J. Pace AND climate and got nothing. Miraculously, this guy seems to be another nobody. If anyone knows Dr. Pace, I’d love to hear it.
30) Gilbert E. Pacey
Professor at Miami University in the Center for Nanotechnology, Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry. No publications relevant to climate.
Q
31) Forrest W. Quackenbush
Into biochemsitry. Looks like a lot of work in biology and chemistry involving genetics, cellular level stuff, etc, but nothing on climate
32) James R. Qualey
The guy looks like he knows his stuff about smoke detectors, and appears to be a principal systems engineer. Unless the fire alarms have something to do with more forest fires in a warming world (maybe he’s preparing us all), he doesn’t seem to have any involvement with anything pertaining to climate
R
33) Bernard Raab
Couldn’t find anything really. He had a reply to a post about finding intelligent life in the universe where he says he’s a retired physicist. I don’t see anything of a publication record, let alone anything to do with climate.
34) F. H. Raab
Works with amplifiers and Transmitters. Cited in work on electronics, radio engineering, wireless communications, etc. No publications relevant to climate
S
35) Patrick Saatzer
Received his phD in Chemistry. Some publications on photochemistry of saturated molecules, but nothing on climate.
36) Burns Roy Sabey
Looks like he’s involved in soil science, and has am Introductory Experimental Soil Science book. No found publications on climate
T
37) Widen Tabakoff
Professor of Aerospace Engineering & Engineering Mechanics . No relevant publications (on his page) to climate.
38, Ronald Dwight Tabler
Check out Tabler and associates involved in engineering for snow, sand, dust, and wind control. No publications relevant to climate. Though, he has some work on the effects of snow fences on crashes, controlling blowing snow with fences, etc…maybe it’ll come in handy with climate change…who knows.
U
39) Herbert M S Uberall
Knowledge in scattering of soundwaves and acoustics. Now a retired professor, as they announced in The Journal of the Acoustical Society of America . No publications relevant to climate.
40) Waheed Uddin
Professional in research and instruction, design, construction, maintenance management of highways and airports, sustainable development, and related areas of transportation engineering. Degrees in engineering. Publications in infrastructure management, but nothing to do with climate .
V
41) James P. Vacik
In Pharmaceutical area, here and from a college of pharmacy. To me astonishment, he has no publications relevant to climate
42) Juris Vagners
Retired professor in Aeronautics and Astronautics department. Degrees and teaching in engineering disciplines. Of course, no publications relevant to climate
W
43) William R. Wachtler
Patent of a Liquid processing and sorting system…interesting. Publications relevant to climate: zero
44) William Howard Wade
Couldn’t find anything scientific related. Some stuff on that family history and genealogy stuff. No publications relevant to climate
45) Ning Xi
degree in Systems Science and Mathematics, an M.S. in Computer Science, and background in engineering. Research interests include robotics, manufacturing automation, micro/nano systems, and intelligent control and systems. From his publications page (inside), nothing relevant to climate.
46) Y. Xie
A hard search term, and I got a few things, none of which was relevant to climate. Best bet is in biology.
Y
47) Dmeter Yablonsky
Mathematics professor for Pace University. No publications relevant to climate
48, Richard Howard Yahner
If it’s the same guy, Professor of Wildlife Conservation and Assistant Director for Outreach. Interests are in Wildlife ecology and conservation biology in forested and human-induced landscapes and ecosystems. Has publications in ecosystems, but not climate.
Z
49) Robert V. Zackroff- Microbiologist
Massachusetts College of Pharmacy and Health Sciences. No relevant publications on climate
50) Daniel J. Zaffarano (retired)
Involved in physics (Science Education K-12, retired Dean of Graduate College and Vice President, Research). Looks like some interesting stuff on Beta and Gamma Rays, but no publications relevant to climate.
Update- Apparently there is a Robert Quincy Oaks Jr. here and at least some papers in stratigraphy (back in the 1960’s, he’s retired now).
Pat Cassen said
Icko Iben is a very well known astrophysicist. He must be quite elderly now. Curious that he signed the thing.
pbview said
It seems to me that anyone who disagrees with you is a bad guy. Answer me this Batman – what was the mean global temperature in 1932? And, how many times in the past century has the northwestern passage been open to shipping? There are no riddles here and you just need to deal with facts.
Response– A plot of global temperatures vs. time linked below. There is nothing special about 1932, and the data can be found at GISS or HadCRUT, etc.
http://chriscolose.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/670px-instrumental_temperature_record.png
On the NW passage, my history is a bit shaky, sorry…it’s not something I’ve looked into (nor does it sound very important to this subject). If you have an academic (peer-reviewed) reference on that, I’ll inform myself on Arctic shipping. — Chris
Robert S said
I don’t believe they were billed as all being climate scientists. Sort of like the Union of Concerned Scientists and all the issues they have taken a stance on.
They mention the number of signers in each field here:
http://www.petitionproject.org/gwdatabase/GWPP/Qualifications_Of_Signers.html
I have never thought much of the petition project–awfully sketchy, but some of the criticisms of the petition are downright ridiculous.
Response- Actually I’m tired of seeing it cited on blogs as some kind of authoritative scientific voice representing a reasonable opposition to AGW. It’s not. — Chris
Robert S said
“Response- Actually I’m tired of seeing it cited on blogs as some kind of authoritative scientific voice representing a reasonable opposition to AGW. It’s not. — Chris”
I don’t think it is either. I cringe every time I hear it mentioned, which is continuously. Science isn’t decided by polls or petitions.
thingsbreak said
I compared the existence, background, and publications of the first five alpha to the first five alpha from the AR4 WG1 a few days ago:
http://thingsbreak.wordpress.com/2008/05/21/oregon-petition-redux/
Different Robert S. said
I am doing the same thing you are but with a larger sample. I think you may have made an error with Robert Kabel. If you search for “Kabel, Robert L.” you will find a chemical engineer, who was on at least one paper about climatology back in 1977.
Stephen said
I feel that you may be looking at this the wrong way. The reason that they show so many people with PhDs is because a person with a PhD is more apt to think critically before making a decision. Granted, it’s not true in every case, obviously, but someone with a PhD in any scientific field is statistically more likely to look at all of the information available to them. I didn’t take the time to look at your educational background, so this is just an assumption, but I would guess that you don’t have a PhD in any evironmental science, nor would I guess that you have any publications relevent to climate change (barring, of course, this blog). Despite that, I wouldn’t automatically discredit you, because you have obviously done your homework, and made an informed decision.
Just because you or I don’t have a degree in any evironmental science doesn’t make our opinions invalid. Yes, I would tend to put more trust in someone that does, however, I don’t think it’s necessarily a requirement.
The fact that they have 9000+ people with PhDs that disagree with global warming doesn’t really mean anything, scientifically, but it is something to think about.
Response– Given the source, I’m not even convinced that all 31,000 people on this list actually signed their name (or even exist!), but I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt. I would hope that you are right in that receiving a phD should at least allow one to read and interpret the literature in other disciplines, and discern sound science from pure nonsense. From experience with my professors though, I wouldn’t ask many of them a question outside of their field, at least beyond 101 level stuff, so maybe not. But at the same time, none of them would go off signing petitions about things they know little about.
You can intepret this how you would like. I’d say climatologists shouldn’t perform animal surgery, and veternarians shouldn’t be signing petitions on climate change, but I don’t mean to imply that people outside of climate, geology, oceanography, etc can’t at least inform themselves and discuss the matter intelligently. I’d love to dinner chat with some of the signatories, but the only thing I want people to take from this is that this is not some authoritative organization or voice that people should be lsitening to over the National Academies, IPCC, etc. — chris
Nick said
I looked at 150 names chosen at random over a few idle evenings, and found an alarming number (10) of dead signatories, one of whom had been so for a decade. Others were untraceable. Of the remainder,in loose professional groupings,most signatories were medical workers, petro-chemical workers, engineers (some patent-holders) and a smattering of agro-industry workers. A significant number were retired, semi-retired/consulting or emeritus; conservative, well-educated and elderly folk who’ve done well in the American Utopia. IMO, precisely the kind of people who would be likely to over-estimate their ability to reckon with this issue. None of my group had published on climate.
Primitiveness said
Somehow i missed the point. Probably lost in translation
Anyway … nice blog to visit.
cheers, Primitiveness!!!
EliRabett said
Dead is from the original petition, they just added names.
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Alexi Tekhasski said
Chris Colose wrote “I’d say climatologists shouldn’t perform animal surgery, and veternarians shouldn’t be signing petitions on climate change…”
It is so true. Cilmate is an applied physics problem of tremendous spatio-temporal complexity that intertwins radiation physics, compressible gas dynamics in a field of gravity and under rotation, all contaminated with aerosols, soot, droplets, phase transitions, with surface boundary conditions of unimaginable complexity, and top boundary conditions that are in inherent contradiction with basic approximation of atmosphere as continuous media. In addition, all this thing is strongly coupled to another applied problem which involves fluid dynamics of oceans, again with free deformable surface, with non-analytical bed profiles which are subject to non-stationary drift, all exhibiting strong turbulent solutions on all time scales.
Expanding on your undeniable logic, we should agree that climatologists should not perform turbulent approximations (turbulence has no solution yet in the original field of fluid dynamics, nor its approximations have been verfied on sclales beyond laboratory size). Equally, climatologists should not conduct measurements that are nowhere close to scientific standards of instrumentation (as dictated by Nyquist theorem), or apply methods of Computational Fluid Dynamcs (CFD) to a problem of the scale where its parameterisations are not possible to validate in the way appropriare to original CFD methods. If, say, I am a specialist in any of this fields and see misapplication or abuse of methods that do not warrant pre-conceived or wishful conclusions of mainstream climatology, I would not give a rat to what National Academic in Climatology or IPCC politician would say.
John said
I’ve noticed a couple of comments claiming that the list isn’t billed as being composed of ‘all climate scientists’. That is probably true but it is billed as containing signotures from people in relevant fields. From the ‘Qualifications of Signers‘ page.
‘Signatories are approved for inclusion in the Petition Project list if they have obtained formal educational degrees at the level of Bachelor of Science or higher in appropriate scientific fields.’
There is no doubt this list fails, and fails miserably, to meet its ‘appropriate fields’ claim.
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Jim Eaton said
As I recall, Ursula Abbott was my landlord when I was an undergraduate at U.C. Davis back in the 1960s. I believe she got her degree in 1949, and she came to UCD as an instructor in the Poultry Department in 1955.
Like the skeptics of plate tectonics, it seems like a lot of the deniers are professor emeriti who just plain refuse to accept new ideas and new evidence. And I’m not sure that studying chickens gives one special insight on climate change issues.
Paul said
I did a similar search thing recently and after looking for a few i came across this signee: KAEGI, Dennis D
They did a thesis at the Coal Characterization Laboratory, Department of Geology, Southern Illinois University at Carbondale… in 1977.
Read what you will into that.
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Jim Prall said
I’m coming at this from the other direction: to illustrate how easy it is to find the *real* climate scientists online. I started from two sources: (1) all the authors of some top climate science papers I’ve read for courses, then finding their other top-cited papers and collecting names of their co-authors; find their work-related home page and find even more co-workers there, and repeat for a while; and (2) the readily available list of 619 lead authors of IPCC AR4 working group 1. It’s posted on Eli Rabbett’s blog, and I quickly tracked down the PDF original from “annex ii” of the wg i report. A bit of pre-processing with unix command line and I had the list of names and affiliations in plain text.
I’ve loaded that into Excel, then over a couple of weeks of evenings and weekends I’ve expanded my list to just over 1300 unique names, with year of PhD, current teaching or research lab affiliation, home page, and photo. (I wanted to put faces to the names).
I wrote a simple perl script to format these into an HTML table, sorted by frequency of citation for those I’ve had time to copy down those stats, then just alphabetically for the remainder.
My blog post with links to the pages I generate is
Green Herring The big table is still a work-in-progress. This week I’m plugging away collecting the year of PhD for more names. Up to now I’ve gathered 1318 names, 1133 homepages, 975 photo links, 560 PhD dates, 501 sets of citation stats of authors’ top 4 works found in Google Scholar.
Jim Prall said
Oh, yeah: as for the Oregon pathetiction, I stumbled on their updated site while trying to find info on whether NOAA NCDC Director Thomas R Karl, M.Sc.,
(homepage) has a Ph.D., as none is mentioned in his brief online bios. Searching on his name and “PhD” led to a denialist site’s vitriolic tirade suggesting that everything NOAA reports on climate is a BIG FRAUD because someone has called him “Dr. Karl” just because he is the director supervising a huge number of Ph.Ds, perhaps leaning on the FLIMSY excuse that he’s been granted at least one honoris causa honorary doctorate for his extensive achievements.
Arghh…
Anyway, “Mr.” Karl is one of the only names in the top 100 of my list sorted by citation count who does not show a Ph.D. Bren Holben has an M.Sc (1976), Joseph Berry (#2 most cited, home page link currently broken) lists his Ph.D. but not the year (so I just enter “PhD”), and Timothy C Johns of the Hadley Centre has no online bio or C.V.
Then there’s Richard Wetherald, prolific co-author of Syukuro Manabe dating back to the 70’s, who is a programmer and just got caught up in the science and his contributions stood on their own to the point where he became lead or sole author of subsequent, well-received journal papers.
Another puzzler is Keith Briffa of Univ. of East Anglia, whose online bios skirt the question of what his academic background is; but today he teaches university courses on climate and his name is on papers with two to three hundred cites.
The pattern continues through the second century of listings; maybe one in 20 lacks a clear listing of when and where they obtained their Ph.D., but every one of the top 200 listings has four or more papers with at least 79 cites. Some of these may still have the Ph.D. and just lack good web presence. Most have some teaching role at a major university, even if their principle workplace is a government research body such as NCDC, NCAR, or GISS.
So in brief, it’s about as hard to find a top published author without a Ph.D. as it is to find a name on the Or-be-gone Petticoatition who DOES have one, at least in a relevant field, and a pulse.
Jim Prall said
Followup:
Here’s the page with the screed against “NOAA’s exaggerations”:
Chris Horner’s ‘The Karl Report’ on planetgore.nationalreview.com.
Pretty sad stuff. Mr. Horner: how about the other hundreds of PhDs in IPCC AR4 wg1? How about the 1700 U.S. scientists and economists with PhD’s who’ve signed the Union of Concerned Scientists’ plea for action on climate, here:
Call for Swift and Deep Cuts in GHG Emissions – eh?
Quote: This unprecedented list of signatories includes six Nobel Prize winners in science or economics, 30 members of the National Academy of Sciences, 10 members of the National Academy of Engineering, 10 recipients of the MacArthur Fellowship, and more than 100 members of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which shared the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize. End Quote
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Mike Copeland said
Some ask ‘what is the purpose of the petition?’
Well, the MSM (very little media for that matter) isn’t reporting that side of the debate. I believe the petition is a reaction to the lack of coverage. It makes clear that the debate is not over, as the former Messiah once declared.
Action…Reaction.
On a side note…I think we should all start referring to the MSM as “Big Media” (a la Big Oil). I have still yet to run across a Mom-n-Pop oil company.
-Mike
Response– I disagree. My cat’s doctor saying global warming is a hoax doesn’t open up a debate in the mainstream scientific community, at real academic meetings, etc. Creationists who complain about radiometric debating also don’t make mainstream geology and evolutionary biology “up in the air” unless substantial data is reported in the scholarly literature. People who make smoke alarms or those who have never studied climate in their life saying “it’s all the sun” doesn’t make it a “debate.”
Similarily, I do not think scientific topics should receive “balanced treatment” but rather what appears in the scholarly literature should be reported on. It’s very American that everyone can just have their opinion and anyone can listen to “both sides” and “make up their own mind” but that’s not how it works.– chris
DavidONE said
Nice work, Chris – URL added to my notes.
I started doing something similar, but just took names at random. I found dentists, anaesthetists, agricultural engineers and even a genealogist.
It’s telling that the list is still regularly used by the Denial Gang – they’ve got little else to use. And as I usually reply when offered it – “you don’t ask your dentist for a second opinion on heart surgery, so why listen to him when it comes to climate change?”
mghirsch said
Have you done a similiar analysis of the scientists who believe in AGW? I would suspect that you would find a much higher percentage of them are even less qualified as climate scientists than those who don’t believe in AGW.
What about a list of scientists, like Dr. Hansen of NASA who have manipulated or made up data to prove that AGW exists?
What about the scientists that have shown that many of the sampling sites are NOT properly placed (such as too near an air conditioning unit)?
Ted said
So Al Gore is a climate scientist is he? And I must be a denialist then (ooooohhh, like a nazi you mean?) who has come to the conclusion that AGW is a dark ages doomsday cult, and pushed by the lefties who want to turn us all into slaves of the state. YOU ARE F#####G INSANE. Your scam is falling apart you self rightious asshats.
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Dennis said
Doing a “Google Search” isn’t doing research. At best, such a search can only pick up what someone has put into a webbed computer database.
Response– I never said this was “research” in the sense I’m going to submit it to a journal. I think this post does illustrate that there’s no reason to accept this petition as authoritative anymore than I should care about the opinion of my next door neighbor about climate change. People who have a publication record in climate related issues, or work for an institution/university dedicated to a similar field should show up in google/google scholar. Google the first 60 people on the IPCC report to see what I’m talking about.– chris
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